Skip to main content
MusicRadar MusicRadar The No.1 website for musicians
UK EditionUK US EditionUS AU EditionAustralia SG EditionSingapore
Sign in
  • View Profile
  • Sign out
  • Artist news
  • Music Gear Reviews
  • Synths
  • Guitars
  • Controllers
  • Drums
  • Keyboards & Pianos
  • Guitar Amps
  • Software & Apps
  • More
    • Recording
    • DJ Gear
    • Acoustic Guitars
    • Bass Guitars
    • Tech
    • Tutorials
    • Reviews
    • Buying Guides
    • About us
Don't miss these
The Spice Girls
Artists Greg Lester on how he crafted the classic nylon-string guitar solo in the Spice Girls’ 2 Become 1
Lily and Blue
Artists We speak with Lily Allen’s co-songwriter and executive producer about the extraordinary fast-paced creation of West End Girl
Josh Freese
Artists “People said, ‘Hey, I saw you’re on that Avril Lavigne record.’ I went, ‘Nah!'”: The drummer who’s played on 400 albums
Justin Hawkins
Artists “He wanted it to sound tinny, so he literally put the mic in a tin”: When The Darkness teamed up with Queen’s producer
Man playing Roland TD716 electronic drum set in a studio
Electronic Drums Best electronic drum sets 2025: Top picks for every playing level and budget, tested by drummers – plus video and audio demos
Kids hands on a beginner keyboard
Keyboards & Pianos Best keyboards for beginners 2025: Get started with our expert pick of beginner keyboards for all ages
Roland TD-02K and TD-02KV V-Drums electronic drum sets
Drum Kits Best electronic drum set for kids 2025: child-friendly electronic drum kits
Aerosmith and Yungblud
Artists “You can say, ‘This isn’t real rock ‘n’ roll.’ Or look at it another way”: Joe Perry on Aerosmith's collab with Yungblud
A PRS McCarty 594 on a hard case
Electric Guitars Best electric guitars 2025: Our pick of guitars to suit all budgets
Sennheiser in ear monitors on a lit up dj controller
Studio Monitors Best budget in-ear monitors 2025: My pick of cheap in-ears for every type of musician
Man in green jumper received a gift from a man in a red jumper
Guitars Best Christmas gifts for musicians 2025: 21 affordable festive present ideas for music-makers (which they'll genuinely love)
LONDON, ENGLAND - MAY 17: Lily Allen joins Olivia Rodrigo on stage to duet her song 'Smile' at The O2 Arena on May 17, 2024 in London, England. (Photo by Nicky J Sims/Getty Images for Live Nation)
Artists Lily Allen says that being invited on stage by a Gen-Z star played a big part in her musical comeback
Roland TD313 with Black Friday logo
Electronic Drums Missed out on Thomann's Roland TD313 Cyber Week deal? Here's how you can still get one of the newest electronic drum sets on the market at a bargain price before Black Friday becomes Cyber Monday!
Lily Allen
Artists "OK, let’s have some backstory”: The group songwriting sessions that yielded Lily Allen’s West End Girl
Drum kit with a red overlay and blue text saying 'best Christmas gifts for drummers'
Drums Best Christmas gifts for drummers 2025: my pick of affordable festive gifts they'll actually use
More
  • "The most expensive bit of drumming in history”
  • JoBo x Fuchs
  • Radiohead Daydreaming
  • Vanilla Fudge
  • 95k+ free music samples
  1. Tutorials
  2. Drum Lessons & Tutorials

How to be a pop drummer

News
By Rhythm magazine published 8 June 2015

Charli XCX drummer Debbie Knox Hewson gives us some pointers for making it as a pop drummer

When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. Here’s how it works.

Debbie Knox Hewson

Debbie Knox Hewson

Having honed her playing at first Tech Music School and then BIMM, Debbie Knox-Hewson was well equipped for the demands of the gig backing pop superstar in-the-making Charli XCX.

Joining Charli’s newly-assembled all-girl band meant that Debbie had to ramp up her stage presence without adding too much flash to the chart-ascending pop of hits like ’Boom Clap’ and ’Doing It’.

Debbie gives us the lowdown on this and more with her guide to life as a successful pop drummer…

Page 1 of 7
Page 1 of 7
Playing the show

Playing the show

“I’ve got a hybrid set-up with a Roland pad on the left of my hats. It would be easy to play on that but a lot of what I play has been moved to the pad on my right so that people can see it. It’s about big arm movements and having cymbals five inches higher than I would usually. It’s cool, the look is a strong thing for Charli.

“With the arena shows you have rehearsals with a creative director and they want bigger movements and you have big screens and you’re only playing for half an hour, there’s no time to warm into it. The arenas are fun in their own way though, looking out and seeing a sea of phone lights.

“You’ve just got to go for it. Think what someone wants from you, think why you’ve been hired and go for it. No one will ever say it was really lame when you stood up and clapped while you were playing. It’s no one else’s job to tell you what to do. If it feels cheesy, it might not be, it might look really cool. Expanding your movements doesn’t always look as lame as you think it does.”

Page 2 of 7
Page 2 of 7
Being on TV

Being on TV

“With a live show if you miss a snare or break a stick, that’s punk, it’s fine. As long as you’re playing well and you’re sweaty, that’s fine. With the TV shows, it is what it is. It’s three minutes and you’ll get there at 7am, do a rehearsal, do a dry run of the whole show, everyone is running around. It’s really intense.

"Management and label people are there. Once it’s there, it’s there, if you mess up everyone will see. You often don’t do those shows twice, that is your SNL gig. They’ve all gone really well though.”

Page 3 of 7
Page 3 of 7
Grappling with electronics

Grappling with electronics

“I had never done [electronics] before this gig. It was scary, especially when this was smaller and if something went out it was on me because it was my gear. At that point I’d think, ’I don’t even know what that is, but it’s mine!’

"I’ve been really lucky that the crew is really good, everyone knew I didn’t know about the electronics so I’ve had time to troubleshoot and now I’ve got more of a grasp of it. I did a lot of reading up. I’ve had all of this new gear but I don’t get chance to use it unless it’s on stage. For rehearsals I’ve got a piece of cardboard with the pads written on so I can practise. I’ve got the manual at home that I read through and label everything.”

Page 4 of 7
Page 4 of 7
It's not as easy as it looks…

It's not as easy as it looks…

“I did an Instagram takeover a few weeks ago while we were on the Katy Perry tour. I posted a picture of her drummer [Adam Marcello] and someone commented that they could play his grooves, so why aren’t they playing with Katy Perry? I don’t think people get it until they do it – Adam has been Katy’s MD for eight years, he’s fully trained, he does all of the tracks, he’s the live MD, there is so much to what he does.

"Learning the grooves is a good place to start, though. It’s difficult because there is a gap between the gear you need and the gear you can afford so you can’t practise with all of the electronics, but just learn the grooves to start with.”

Page 5 of 7
Page 5 of 7
Become a pop drummer!

Become a pop drummer!

“Just get as good as you can. I’ve known auditions where they’ve had a clear idea of what they wanted and then someone came in and changed the game. At school I noticed that the guys were a lot more hesitant than the girls when it came to the performance element, but if that is needed then it’s needed. Simple is best. I’m yet to meet a singer that knows what a quintuplet is. Obviously some will, but you don’t need that in the majority of gigs.

“Just play pop well. It’s all about playing things well and having a good ability to improvise. Someone might say they want something rockier and you need to know what that means to them and be ready to try something. If you try a fill and mess it up you probably won’t get the chance to put it forward again. You need to remember that you’re being paid to do a job. At home I love to practise my chops and play along to Mahavishnu Orchestra, but that’s not what I’m being paid to do here. If you don’t do what you’re being paid to do then someone else will.”

Page 6 of 7
Page 6 of 7
Want more?

Want more?

You can read the full interview with Charli XCX’s drummer Debbie Knox Hewson in the May 2015 issue of Rhythm, which is available here.

Page 7 of 7
Page 7 of 7
Rhythm magazine
Read more
Flava D in the studio
Flava D on why drum & bass is the toughest genre to produce
 
 
Blue Carpet held at USTA Billie Jean King National Tennis Center on September 06, 2025 in Queens
The one where Courteney Cox plays Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit on the drums and goes viral
 
 
Simon Phillips
“I got a hacksaw, chopped down the stand and put the hi-hats down there”: How Simon Phillips learned to play left-handed
 
 
Amy Allen
Sabrina Carpenter songwriter Amy Allen on the challenges faced by women in the music industry
 
 
Drum kit with a red overlay and blue text saying 'best Christmas gifts for drummers'
Best Christmas gifts for drummers 2025: my pick of affordable festive gifts they'll actually use
 
 
DarWin
“Most pop music is rubbish now”: Legendary drummer Simon Phillips on producing supergroup DarWin
 
 
Latest in Drum Lessons & Tutorials
Overhead shot of electronic drum set plugged into a laptop running a VST
“At certain points in music history it became fashionable to place accents on certain beats”: How to score a drum part
 
 
Man in white t-shirt playing a Roland electronic drum set
10 common electronic drum set issues and how to troubleshoot them
 
 
Side profile of a person playing a drum kit
13 easy drum songs every beginner should learn
 
 
Millenium Drums Legendary Drumbook
“An extremely well-thought-out and all-encompassing piece of drum education”: Millenium Drums Legendary Drumbook review
 
 
Chad Smith
Chad Smith just destroyed the Wu-Tang Clan in his latest drum tuition video
 
 
Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater
“I’m sorry I ruined your song!”: Mike Portnoy hears Taylor Swift's Shake It Off for the first time and plays along... with surprising results
 
 
Latest in News
ALM Busy Circuits Pamela's Disco module
ALM Busy Circuits new Pamela’s Disco module lets you sync a Eurorack rig to a CDJ or mixer
 
 
Text saying 'Just the way it is'
“It’s quite normal to be groped by men”: Harassment, low pay and exploitation all reported by young musicians and artists in new survey
 
 
Dirty Boy SilverBOY: This high-end all-analogue preamp pedal was inspired by a digital plugin
Dirty Boy turns the tables on guitar’s digital revolution with an all-analogue preamp pedal inspired by a plugin
 
 
tape double track
This $99 plugin recreates a classic studio technique invented at Abbey Road for The Beatles – and it's free for the next three days
 
 
Eric Clapton and Sheryl Crow perform at Eric Clapton's Crossroads Guitar Festival 2007 held at Toyota Park on July 28, 2007 in Bridgeview, Illinois.
"They put it on hold so nobody else can record it. But he didn’t actually record it. That was when Don Henley said, ‘You need to quit giving your songs away’”: Sheryl Crow says that she once wrote a song for Eric Clapton that never saw the light of day
 
 
oxi
"We didn't want to make just another controller": OXI Instruments' E16 is a sleek and portable MIDI controller that's more powerful than it looks
 
 

MusicRadar is part of Future plc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. Visit our corporate site.

Add as a preferred source on Google
  • About Us
  • Contact Future's experts
  • Terms and conditions
  • Privacy policy
  • Cookies policy
  • Advertise with us
  • Accessibility Statement
  • Careers

© Future Publishing Limited Quay House, The Ambury, Bath BA1 1UA. All rights reserved. England and Wales company registration number 2008885.

Please login or signup to comment

Please wait...