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"We all use Logic" says The Killers' Dave Keuning
Demos for Day & Age recorded in Apple's DAW
Ben Rogerson, Mon 10 Nov 2008, 3:28 pm GMT
The Killers' guitarist Dave Keuning has revealed that the band's hotly-anticipated third album Day & Age was demoed in Apple's Logic.
When MusicRadar asked him how the new record was written, Keuning said: "It was a little different actually [to previous albums], we were a little more separate on this one".
Working individually meant that the band had to have an easy way of bouncing ideas around, which is where Apple's software came in.
"All of us recorded demos separately in Logic, which allowed us to email our ideas to each other and to Stuart Price, the producer," explained Keuning. "He told us his favourites and added drum loops and keyboard parts.
"There was a lot of pre-production on this one so we kind of knew how things were going before we got together."
For more from Dave Keuning, check out the full MusicRadar podcast interview.
User comments (8)
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Sorry, actually let me clear up something. The snare track example I was talking about was a bad example, sorry. Because of strip silence + quantizing (which uses the event list), quantizing snare is relatively easy in Logic. Things such as quantizing the overheads to the kick and snare hits + grid, is a lot more cumbersome, in my opinion. The main point I was trying to make is that they are different, and have completely different specialties, so comparing them is kinda irrelevant, especially since a lot of people use them together, complimenting each other.
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"You must not be aware of the "Strip Silence" and "Quantize Audio" functions which make accomplishing this task simple and much quicker."
I actually am aware, and what you're saying is great for a snare track (like I was mentioning), or even a kick track. Not overheads though. The "tab to transient" in Protools is still a lot stronger and easier to use than in Logic (which was introduced in 8), and this is really handy for overheads (cymbals, overheads, room mics, or what not), where you basically have to split the overheads every snare, tom, or kick hit, and quantize it, and then pull the region back to where the fade is needed. You CAN use the "Beat detective" in Protools to do the whole thing automatically, but just doing it manually is much more reliable imo. -
Agreed Logic is just as comprehensive as PT. I have been using logic since version 3 The same for PT. they do both have there niches and both have there flaws. But that fact that you don't know how to edit drums quickly in logic is your own fault.
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"To edit a drum track and split up the audio file to each snare hit the drummer makes, and then quantize them to a grid, would take days in Logic, however it only takes a short amount of time (usually 30 or so minutes) in Pro Tools"
You must not be aware of the "Strip Silence" and "Quantize Audio" functions which make accomplishing this task simple and much quicker. You can even swing the audio you corrected, and humanize it, then return to a single audio track. Hope that helps you get around in Logic faster. I am a Logic user of 9 years, and if you know how to work the program you can edit audio faster than a in PT session. -
BlueJacket:
First off, the only way you can transfer sessions through the two is by bouncing down each track (or exporting them) and then reimporting them in the other. If you want to pay about 500$ for the OMF capability for ProTools (yes they make you pay for about 3 lines of code), then you can export your Logic session to an omf file and reopen it in Protools or vice versa, but you still won't have the plugin settings or automation or anything like that.
Now, I prefer Pro Tools for a few things and Logic for a few things... If you're going to compare the two programs, well you have to realize that Pro Tool's and Logic's purpose are fundamentally different. Pro Tools was designed for recording and editing audio, while Logic was designed for scoring and midi capabilities. They both expanded so you can do MANY of the same things, however they are still fundamentally different.
I prefer Pro Tools for editing and recording audio, because it's simply faster. To edit a drum track and split up the audio file to each snare hit the drummer makes, and then quantize them to a grid, would take days in Logic, however it only takes a short amount of time (usually 30 or so minutes) in Pro Tools. Logic 8 introduced an easier way to layer recordings on top if you are recording the same track over and over again (making many takes of the same recording), however Protools has playlists, which enable you to easily switch between takes... Dont know if that makes sense, but basically Protools is really good for recording and editing
For mixing, scoring, sequencing, and what not, I really prefer Logic. Logic comes with a set of really good plugins to begin with, and not only that, you can automate really easily, viewing different automations, curve the automation lines, etc. Logic comes with a really powerful sequencer, a very efficient sequencer, and many different virtual software synths that sound pretty good too. It's matrix editor is very easy to get around in, as Logic was basically designed for sequencing at the beginning. Making a trance song, or a hip hop song, on Logic is a lot easier than Protools.
Hope that helps. -
I am also really excited to see Logic changing the way bands are writing/producing.
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Blue Jacket:
My humble opinion:
Logic Pro hands down over ProTools and Motu DP. Although each DAW has their own ups and downs. I was a diehard ProTools guy (since 1995)
Now, I use MacBook Pro + Logic Pro + Apogee Ensemble for Live, And G5 + Logic Pro + Apogee Ensemble in house. It is rock freaking solid. Add to that a couple Royer 122 Ribbons, and a couple UA 6176's and you have a great core system for EG's, AG's, and whatever else you want to experiment with. For drums, I use BFD2 with Expansion Packs, and GURU. I am very pleased with the ease of laying down really smooth, solid tracks.
i honestly don't know how easy PT sessions can or cannot transfer over to Logic, as I just phased out PT for my stuff. But will know in the next couple of months as I will be required to do such. I will post my experience and possibly my own questions!
i hope this helps you a little bit. if not, sorry...
post script: what interface did you go with? how do you like it?
cheers,
benignus -
how do you feel Logic compares to Pro Tools???
and can you transfer logic to protools???
I have logic and am very new to logic, purchased a interface today....
Blue Jacket
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