“He’s extremely knowledgeable about the history of music. I’ll be in the studio with him, and he can name you every song – who wrote it, produced, he’ll quote you lyrics. It doesn’t matter if it’s Roger Miller, Hoyt Axton, Willie Nelson, David Allen Coe – you name it, he knows it. So I said to him one day, ‘Toby, you love all those songs, you should do some of them.’ So we formed a band and booked a gig in New York. He didn’t want to use his own name, though, so called it The Incognito Banditos.

“We recorded ourselves. On his last couple of albums, there’s some extra songs, which is us as the Incognito Banditos. I got to be the producer on those songs.

“I’ve played on Toby’s records for the last 10 years. He’s a sharp guy. He’s the record label, the songwriter, the artist, but in every respect he’s exactly the way he seems – laid-back and easygoing. But the important thing is, his songs are great, which makes it extremely easy for me.”