Did you have an inkling that the Shakira session would go on to become your long-term gig?

"I still am surprised it’s such a long-term thing. I got the call to play on the record and then I got the call to do a show in New York and an MTV Unplugged and then the shows kept coming and suddenly I was in the band.

"Over time she’s included me in a lot more stuff, like the videos. I’ve produced and written songs with her. She likes to have people around that she’s comfortable with and people that can multi-task.

"Over the years I’ve managed to learn enough about Pro-Tools and programming and play a little bass, guitar and keys, so if she has four dudes like that in the room she feels like she can do anything. Sometimes I’ll be in the room with her, engineering, and I’ll think, ‘I am not an engineer, but this is my job today!’.

"It’s kinda fun, she challenges me to pursue all of these different avenues.”

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