“I adore Phil. He’s probably one of the greatest drummers I’ve ever worked with. His pop sensibility is so developed – there’s probably nobody on his level in that regard.

“He’s a voraciously hard worker, and also one of those guys who’s involved in everything. When we would be getting ready to tour, he’d be in rehearsal 18 hours a day dealing with the lights, the sound guys, just every aspect of the show.

“We met doing a Lee Ritenour album. Phil called me to do his first tour, but I had already committed to going on the road with James Taylor. I told him I’d love to do something with him some other time, and in 1984 he called me to do the No Jacket Required album, and then we toured all of ’85 on that.

“We don’t really talk about the role of bass and drums. He kind of just lets me do what I think is right. We record in parts a lot, though. On Another Day In Paradise, I was the first guy on that track. Everybody else came in after me.”