It's called Mach 1

[tehLORD]

Originally Posted by davilazita

haha sorry, always been terrible with names and now its spread to the internet!!!

I like your stuff a lot btw, especially the first one in the player.

Get it off Myspace and onto a decent streamer. It's screaming for a moody female vocal!

GEOFF

[kay7]

yup...a bit too british. If you ever think of recording you need to have something like White sensation style Dont have my tracks online yet coz im waiting for an answer from Amsterdam . I liked yout style . Virus sounds cand be faulted !!!! Great ! Id love to talk to you one day ...ermm , where do you live ?
regards,
Ed

[kay7]

Originally Posted by tehLORD

Too British?

Gear?

Cubase 4
Sylenth
Predator
Vanguard
Ultra Analog
Battery 3

Tons of VST FX and Mastering

KRK RP6 G2s
Access Virus Ti

What vst`s and what mastering ? I keep listening to yourt tracks and i know some of them

[tehLORD]

Originally Posted by kay7

What vst`s and what mastering ? I keep listening to yourt tracks and i know some of them

On this particular track there's IIEQ on the master first with a high shelf from about 2khz at about 2db then I'm using Ozone 4 mostly for some limiting and harmonic excitement.

[Ten Flew South]

Originally Posted by tehLORD

I like your stuff a lot btw, especially the first one in the player.

Get it off Myspace and onto a decent streamer. It's screaming for a moody female vocal!

GEOFF

Ha ha! That was a good one Yes it was me, and before I say anything else, to both GEOFF and DAVE, from MATT , I would just like to try and excuse myself for not having worked on the tracks I received from you yet... I also suffer from 'start one thing then get preoccupied by another' syndrome, so sorry about that..

Nice work Geoff, just listened, how about playing around with swing and shuffle a bit more to get a nice interlocking groove going on? You've got nice ideas but it seems a bit static at times.

Dave, good going on the uad card/plugs! A quad will keep you going for a while, unless you go for the Emp. Labs fatso..!
The transient designer is cool, I've got it, but SPL also released just the attack portion of the trans. designer for free, on their site, alongside a cut down version of their eq, both great native plugs:
http://www.soundperformancelab.com/

Edit: sorry in advance for the hijack Geoff.. ps I see you got the ultra analogue - did you get it from audiomidi.com for $15 with their 'no brainer' deal? I grabbed it, for that prie it was a, er, no brainer..

Dave, did you not get the LA2A and 1176LN free with the card? I thought they were doing that, but maybe that was only for october?
You will love the Neve 1073 eq, especially on acoustic guitar.

Absolute must-haves:

Plate 140. Just get it, it's gorgeous.

Boss CE-1 chorus pedal - great little tool to have, sounds great on anything that needs a little or a lot of modul.

Space Echo or the Cooper Time Cube for a funky delay. Different beasts but both very cool.
I would take the time cube over the space echo, as it is more flexible palette-wise. I loved the audio demo if it but can't demo it properly as it is uad-2 only :0/

I wouldn't worry about the channel strips too much.

Fairchild. You can't have too many character compressors!
Would also go for the VCA VU, it's a dbx 160, would be nice to have lots of instances of one of those. 33609 or the LA3A, but don't forget the PsP Oldtimer, I've been demoing it and it is absolutely fantastic. A no brainer. Stands up with the best uad plugs.
I'm mixing and matching uad and native here but whatever

Pultec Pro - really nice for bringing out air and brightening the top end in general without sounding too shrill, so long as you don't overdo it.

An uber-reliable limiter is very good to have too, so you would want to pick up the Precision Limiter at some point, it's very transparent.

I got the Moog filter recently and it's pretty sick! You'll love that (if you like filters..!).

Then there's the EMT 250, which, as the original was a digital verb, and they got hold of all the original algos, is an exact clone of the original hardware, that's high on my list too.

If you get yourself a solid (but doesn't have to be super broad) palette of compression, verb, delay and EQ then that's the processing battle pretty much over, then it's up to your skill.
The Fatso is also highly desirable but it is a massive resource hog, but then again you would only really apply it to the stereo buss once you were done mixing down so no problem.

Of those I've mentioned, if I could pick three to have right now, and I were you, but knowing what I know now, I would take the Plate 140, the 1073, and the EMT 250. Good verb is paramount.

But as it stands with the plugs I all ready have I would personally go for the EMT 250, VCA VU, the time cube, and the 1073.

If you also pick up the Psp Oldtimer and the free spl attacker then you would have some great weaponry.
Truth is, they all sound great, and are a joy to work with.

But don't take my word for it, unlock the 2 week demos on those bad boys and let rip! Just don't unlock them all at once like I did..surface scratching.. :0/

And start saving for the native Lexicon plug-ins, the real deal taken from the pcm96, verbs only, no other effects, but as many intances of high-end lexi verb as your computer can handle. Amazing.
But will probably cost around £1000...

[tehLORD]

I believe you have OCD

Nothing you say will change my mind.

I got Ultra Analog aaaages ago. In fact I bought Massive first of all, realised I wanted to get into music and not engineering and ended up swapping it for UO. Great synth, I use it on almost everything.

There's a much updated version of this track so i'll PM you the mediafire link so you can take a gander at the WAV version. I've not really mixed it yet as i've had to do most of it on headphones over the last few days. I'm considering bouncing it all to audio before I start the mixdown though, many a fiddle tends to be done before I ever finish mixing


All this UAD talk is moistening me up nicely

[davilazita]

Haha sorry for the mix up!

To be honest mate the parts wern't recorded very well, so I wouldn't worry too much right now, I'll have better songs and better recorded (new aerodyne bass + U-87) in the next few weeks

Yeah they came free with the card, which saved me a bit a cash, completely broke now, although least I've got some decent gear.

I got the masting bundle which included the limiter, and with just using the presets my mixes seem to improve massively. Just getting stuck into a mastering DVD at the moment, its pretty scientific stuff. Do you use any metering?

Im in my last day of the plate reverb 140 trial, so I'm going to have to stump up on it soon i fear! I've dubbed on a real space echo before, they really are awesome, will have to chuck it on my christmas list! I am interested in the fatso as well watched the demo and looks like a realy nice bit of kit, pricy though!

I agree with focusing on Verb, Eq and Compression, gotta get the basics right!

Do you use any analogue gear for your mixes?

Thanks once again for the help! Its much appreciated!

Cheers

Dave

[Ten Flew South]

Originally Posted by tehLORD

I believe you have OCD

Nothing you say will change my mind.

I got Ultra Analog aaaages ago. In fact I bought Massive first of all, realised I wanted to get into music and not engineering and ended up swapping it for UO. Great synth, I use it on almost everything.

There's a much updated version of this track so i'll PM you the mediafire link so you can take a gander at the WAV version. I've not really mixed it yet as i've had to do most of it on headphones over the last few days. I'm considering bouncing it all to audio before I start the mixdown though, many a fiddle tends to be done before I ever finish mixing


All this UAD talk is moistening me up nicely

Heh heh! Get one, you won't regret it !

And yes, bounce everything to audio before you mix, top and tail, eliminate DC, etc etc, all these things and everythign concerned with the writing process you want out of the way before you mix, otherwise you will not be able to focus 100% and that is critical. When you mix all you want to do is be concerned with the sound and the feel, nothing else.
I'm a complete hypocrite though as I like to do trial mixes before the song is finished, I just like mixing a lot so try and find an excuse to do it whenever I can

I listened to the wav. It's big and clean, until all elements are in (surprise!) and then it sounds like it's being squashed just a little too much so that you lose the dynamic impact of the drops.
For this track I would take some of the high end snap off the kick, it would sound better being a bit more subby to my ears.
I love that piano break, what sound source? Very moby-esque, nicely filtered but still with loads of life and expression.
Would be good to hear you vary the chord sequence a little though, and to incorporate it a bit more into the main track, it's a little out of place at the mo, but I like it a lot.

It sounds like the main thing that is holding you back is your panning strategy - that track I just posted really opened up once I started focusing on the stereo filed and what was happening where.
As someone said to me, 'sum and difference', makes all the difference! Maximise the difference between left and right channels, and remember, there are only 2 speakers!! Very important tip that one..
On an artistic note, I think you are capable of results that are a lot more musical, rather than have the simple build break drop routine, try and evolve the parts a little and let them breathe and express by themselves, good example is the section right at the end, don't be scared to let it get minimal!

Originally Posted by davilazita

Haha sorry for the mix up!

To be honest mate the parts wern't recorded very well, so I wouldn't worry too much right now, I'll have better songs and better recorded (new aerodyne bass + U-87) in the next few weeks

Cool!

Originally Posted by davilazita

completely broke now, although least I've got some decent gear.

Gear will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no gear.. or something

Originally Posted by davilazita

I got the masting bundle which included the limiter, and with just using the presets my mixes seem to improve massively. Just getting stuck into a mastering DVD at the moment, its pretty scientific stuff. Do you use any metering?

Do you use any analogue gear for your mixes?

Thanks once again for the help! Its much appreciated!

Cheers

Dave

I've got an rme hdsp card and there is an app bundled with it called 'Digicheck' which is an awesome metering tool, I always have it running.

No analogue gear here for mixing, I do have a single channel tube pre that I keep meaning to run stuff through to see how it sounds but haven't got round to it yet
Think I will try it with the drums and piano for that track I'm working on.

No probs! When I'm not making music or mixing, all I want to do is talk about it! Maybe I do have OCD.... then again I think everyone that's into music does to some extent

[tehLORD]

Originally Posted by Ten Flew South

Heh heh! Get one, you won't regret it !

And yes, bounce everything to audio before you mix, top and tail, eliminate DC, etc etc, all these things and everythign concerned with the writing process you want out of the way before you mix, otherwise you will not be able to focus 100% and that is critical. When you mix all you want to do is be concerned with the sound and the feel, nothing else.
I'm a complete hypocrite though as I like to do trial mixes before the song is finished, I just like mixing a lot so try and find an excuse to do it whenever I can

I listened to the wav. It's big and clean, until all elements are in (surprise!) and then it sounds like it's being squashed just a little too much so that you lose the dynamic impact of the drops.
For this track I would take some of the high end snap off the kick, it would sound better being a bit more subby to my ears.
I love that piano break, what sound source? Very moby-esque, nicely filtered but still with loads of life and expression.
Would be good to hear you vary the chord sequence a little though, and to incorporate it a bit more into the main track, it's a little out of place at the mo, but I like it a lot.

It sounds like the main thing that is holding you back is your panning strategy - that track I just posted really opened up once I started focusing on the stereo filed and what was happening where.
As someone said to me, 'sum and difference', makes all the difference! Maximise the difference between left and right channels, and remember, there are only 2 speakers!! Very important tip that one..
On an artistic note, I think you are capable of results that are a lot more musical, rather than have the simple build break drop routine, try and evolve the parts a little and let them breathe and express by themselves, good example is the section right at the end, don't be scared to let it get minimal!

Excellent feedback as usual and as always much appreciated.

I have a feeling that i'm coming up against the limits of by workspace at the moment as I can only agree with what you are saying. I've got a pair of KRK RP6s in a massive untreated space and they're close together AND one is sat in a corner. Sadly it's the only place I can have them right now. I'm considering swapping out the Virus Ti for some Adam A7s and a Powercore (I just prefer what's included to start with) and start concentrating more on the treatment of the sound from now on rather than the writing process itself. I've spent two years learning the basics and although I'm quite happy with where things are right now I could really push things up to the 'as good as they can be' level over the next couple of years.

The piano sound is from the Halion 1 in Cubase believe it or not! The Yamaha S90ES that they threw into the updated sample pack is pretty much all it's good for but it really is sweet. It's got a bit of a big reverb on it but the reverb itself is modulating a bit and it sends it a bit analogy, know what I mean?

I've actually got a pal of mine scoring some guitar parts and i'm seriously considing lifting the piano part out to do an 'unplugged' version too!


The quest continues of course........

[Ten Flew South]

I think the common wisdom is to have the speakers at least 4 feet apart from centre of tweeter to centre of tweeter, and then the same distance from centre of tweeter to middle of your head (where your ears should be ).

That'll give you a decent enough stereo field.
A speaker in the corner is a big no-no of course, for three reasons: First, sound is emanating from all around the speaker, not just from the front of it, and if it's not clear of flat surfaces, (and especially if those surfaces are not treated), you'll get those reflections coming straight back at you.

Second, which ties in with the first, is that bass builds up in the corners of a room, and so you're helping to magnify that effect by having the speaker in the corner in the first place, and it will be magnified even more if you have rear-ported speakers.

Third, is the fact that the speakers are not in similar locations, ie if they were not ideally positioned, but were still positioned in such a way that they were the same distance from the surrounding surfaces, then it wouldn't be as bad as having one in a corner and one not.

It is cheap as hell to make your own treatment, it doesn't have to be too involved, you don't even need to make frames, you can just buy the mineral wool slabs (about 7 quid each for one absorber's worth), cover it in the cheapest open weave fabric you can find, then make reinforced holes straight through and hang them up with hooks and hobby wire.

I'm a retard for not having done it yet either.
Ps it's better to be in a big space than a small one, as you have more chance of hearing a more defined direct sound in a larger space, the room mode calculators out there say that a minimum of 70 square feet is best.

The Adams are well-liked, but they are far from perfect, quite shallow bottom end (in comparison to your relatively bassy KRKs) so you'll still have to spend quite some time getting used to them.
Powercore would also be a good buy, it does totally depend on what sort of processing you feel you want, all the dsp stuff is different - Duende/Powercore/UAD, although I still plan on adding a Liquid Mix at some point too, the 16 channel version, which is enough for me on top of the uad plugs, had a big price drop recently, in the states at least, you can get it for $149 at the moment!

Unbelievable. I haven't checked the UK/european prices yet though.

Sell the Ti? You only just got it though didn't you? My next big purchase would be a mixer, or a decent mixer controller, but I'm hoping to get out of denmark soon and don't want to have to ship anything like that so will hold off for a bit.

I'm interested to see what the specs of the Zed R24 will be like, they'll unveil it at the winter namm apparently..
Don't want to see the price though..