is this right???>?regarding harmonic/ melodic minor:

[jalapeno]

Originally Posted by frankus

Mate try asking simpler questions like:

Question#4 What tempo are we playing at?
Question#5 What key are we playing in?
Question#6 Does this sound okay?

Leave the musical history to musical historians, it just sounds like a pretensious sound-bite for Kerrang magazine interview - "Yeah we use the Lydian Dominant Scale cos it's killed less honest people than any other scale in the history of stamp collecting... I mean music."

I see my lame thread prescience has been proved accurate again !

I still like my made up word - Anorakista

(Frankus is spot-on BTW)

[frankus]

But whatever way you cut it, I'm an Anorakista.

This guy reads like care in the community but he is right: lydian is the better choice for the first mode of music if you're working on the cycle of fifths - but it has no relevance to music really.

[Sporky_McGuffin]

Originally Posted by frankus

But whatever way you cut it, I'm an Anorakista.

I'd just like to clarify here - Frank - do you definitely mean that you lack any sentiments on norakistanism either way? Only - and forgive me if I've misjudged here - some of your posts have seemed to be from more of an anti-norakistan point of view.

I'm not making a value judgement on either stance, BTW, I just think that we need to be precise.

[frankus]

I think the thing is regardless of my stance I am an Anorak.

Whilst I do worship at the church of Norak, I question the endless questions that fellow Noraks pose, how many Angels can dance on a pin head... I'm an Norak to Noraks which in may eyes makes me A-norak.

Personally I blame my old blind master who killed a member of the Chiniese royal family for his arrogance... and forced me to walk the world alone with nothing but the tune of "For the love of God" played on a flute ...for company.

[sfocata]

Originally Posted by spawn

Question? #1 Why is the major scale made by 5-5ths-up-with-1-5th-down from the supposed? Root…

Question#2? So to be a true scale by 5ths you would have to start on the root and go 6-consecutive 5ths-up from the root, but that would change the root..? in-turn-would–change-the-key?

Question#3? They said it was because of the tri-tone (the devils interval)? But also because
the church got involved why?.. So… they change it…WHY?

Question#4?there is still a tri-tone with-in the major scale?..instead of the tri-tone between the root and the fourth(4th) scale degree (as-it was-and-should-be)!!..they moved it between the so-called (4th degree and the so-called (7th )degree???

I thought I should try compiling these together to see if I can understand what you're asking/saying/insinuating/bemoaning.

I give up. Either you really need to lay off the drugs or you have some axe to grind... I have no idea. None of what you're asking/saying seems to bear much resemblance to conventional music theory, so give us a clue, eh?

[Nik Harrison]

Originally Posted by spawn

stop ...i did not dis...You.../ was not trying too / meant too… I felt that needed to be cleared…

I just cant stand the major scale..it was made century's ago..for purpose of, let me say… not for true things....look at the history of music you will see.. as in, if people did not conform to it / using it / not to speak against it, ect.. that was the name of the game, if you spoke against it / played other then, and people found out.. You were persecuted for it, thrown in jail, house arrest, exiled, executed, dismembered in some form / another..


Question? #1 Why is the major scale made by 5-5ths-up-with-1-5th-down from the supposed? Root…

Has it occurred to you to take it upon yourself to change it? If you don't like it, then adapt it for your own use. The history of music and the development of the theoretical language of music has never been entirely consistent with my taste either, so I use what I like and discard what I don't. I also use ideas which don't conform to any comfortable theoretical expression at all. Where at one time "rules" existed which served to ensure that music was composed to please the Church/ King etc, since no such rules exist anymore, or at the very least are "enforced" (with the exception of harmony exams which actually serve to assess the knowledge a person has of the rules "as they were" and not meant to be followed within modern creative work).

If you want to bring maddness into the conversation, I can suggest much better things to consider than music theory. Here's some maddness: In 1969 a guy walked on the moon, we talked to him on a radio, and it was broadcast on television. Nearly 40 years later, my mobile phone still has intermittant signal in parts of the uk, and the coffee machine in one of the schools that I work in simply cannot accomodate 50 pence pieces. Where they can sometimes appear naive and foolish now, the elaborate "visions of the future" that people had in 1969 were entirely consistent with what they were shown to be possible at that time. Either somewhere along the line, the evolution of science and the rate of progress has been absolutely and unforgivably mismanaged, or the moon landing was faked. Right now, I'll consider that either of these things could equally be feasable. And you're pissed of at how a major scale sounds?

[LoFi]

Originally Posted by frankus

Right.

You're possibly one of the first people to fail the Turin test, how does that feel?

What, he was only supposed to blow the bloody doors off?

[spawn]

i would like to know if any one knows, understands, / uses this..

i would like too know what you think / dislike about PCS ( pitch class sets) / set theory

because this is just a table of PCS / the cliff notes of: set theory of music, you should not confuse this with: set theory of mathematics.. the 2-are-not-the-same

the first page other than the 5-columns-as-in- the title at the top of the page should be of use and or interest IE... interval vector, count, forte code, prime form, inverted form..
out of those 5 the 3rd will be of less / no use-(forte code)-can you spell-convoluted / convolution / convolutely convoluted ..


click on link below for the PDF file that will open in your browser

https://ishare.sphorium.com/ms/10555...B7AB/ayos.aspx

[performingchimp]

I can't tell if anyone's actually answered the original question, which is a pretty simple yes/no job.

The answer is, he is totally right except he has chord number one on the melodic minor and harmonic minor wrong - they should both be major7(#5).

Also, I would point out that you should not restrict yourself to these chords. Quite often these modes have silly things in them like flattened 4ths. Take the 7th mode of melodic minor. You've called it a m7b5 which is totally correct, but it has a b4th in the mode which is silly, 4ths do not make sense as 4ths if they are flattened, it is obviously in reality a major 3rd. So you could call also have a dom7(#5) chord as the root chord.

This is actually really important, because that mode is almost always used over dom7(#5) or similar chords. And it is a very very commonly used scale in modern jazz.

So your answer is correct for harmonizing the scale. But in the real world, it is never used along with that type of chord.

Anyway, good work!

Next job is to find out the names of all the modes to go along with each of those chords!

[performingchimp]

Originally Posted by spawn

i would like to know if any one knows, understands, / uses this..

i would like too know what you think / dislike about PCS ( pitch class sets) / set theory

because this is just a table of PCS / the cliff notes of: set theory of music, you should not confuse this with: set theory of mathematics.. the 2-are-not-the-same

the first page other than the 5-columns-as-in- the title at the top of the page should be of use and or interest IE... interval vector, count, forte code, prime form, inverted form..
out of those 5 the 3rd will be of less / no use-(forte code)-can you spell-convoluted / convolution / convolutely convoluted ..

Do you run your posts through an automatic translator a couple of times before posting them?

Originally Posted by spawn

click on link below for the PDF file that will open in your browser

https://ishare.sphorium.com/ms/10555...B7AB/ayos.aspx

No chance.