is this right???>?regarding harmonic/ melodic minor:

[frankus]

I don't know about that either.. I think we've finished the bourbons and the macaroons are too soft .. I think I'll leave you guys to it.

[Nik Harrison]

Originally Posted by spawn

the harmonic major is the, mirror / involution / inversion, of the harmonic minor scale.



that is how you get the harmonic major..



well i am sorry that i missed this topic all together ..


well maybe next time...


editors Note: this is not a mode, it is a scale in of itself

it also shares the same intervalic formula.


to fully understand this, mirror / involution / inversion, theory you would have to stop thinking old school and understand the new school= 21 century way of thinking..

I'm not sure I understand this.

How?

[spawn]

Originally Posted by Nik Harrison

I'm not sure I understand this.

How?

The harmonic major is the, mirror / involution / inversion, of the harmonic minor scale.


For example is: A B C D E F G+ =harmonic minor

it is said that this is in the key of A: what! ever


the intervallic step pattern is: 2 1 2 2 1 3... Now if you start on (A) again and build that intervallic step pattern backwards (as in-flip-it) from the 3.. You would get the intervallic step pattern that becomes: 3 1 2 2 1 2.... Started / starting on (A) and ascending that pattern up(from-{A}but from [3]) gives you the notes: A C C+ D+ F F+ G+ ... these notes, from this sonority, is, known as, the Harmonic Major scale:

they say it is in the key of A: what! ever


but any way : that is how you get the harmonic major..




editors Note: this is not a mode, it is a scale in of itself..
It also shares the same intervallic formula, as the harmonic minor scale.

note: that I said, formula, not intervallic step pattern.
This intervallic formula is also known as- interval vector.

Simply put the intervallic formula gives you a chemical analysis of all the intervals-within-a-given-scale / sonority..

With this chemical analysis, you can fairly understand what it will sound like..before you even play that sonority / scale..

[jalapeno]

Irrespective of all the pedantry, it's more important to play a b6 in a major scale (etc) and see what it sounds like. If you like it add it to your signature lick.

<backs out the door slowly>

[spawn]

Originally Posted by jalapeno

Irrespective of all the pedantry, it's more important to play a b6 in a major scale (etc) and see what it sounds like. If you like it add it to your signature lick.

<backs out the door slowly>

not trying to start any thing BAD here BUT !

the MAJOR scale SUCKS, BIG, BIG, BIG TIME.... I HATE the MAJOR scale..

[frankus]

editors note to self: seems like a real cock.

[spawn]

dont get me wrong!

people have made great music in / with it.....

[Nik Harrison]

Originally Posted by spawn

The harmonic major is the, mirror / involution / inversion, of the harmonic minor scale.


For example is: A B C D E F G+ =harmonic minor

it is said that this is in the key of A: what! ever


the intervallic step pattern is: 2 1 2 2 1 3... Now if you start on (A) again and build that intervallic step pattern backwards (as in-flip-it) from the 3.. You would get the intervallic step pattern that becomes: 3 1 2 2 1 2.... Started / starting on (A) and ascending that pattern up(from-{A}but from [3]) gives you the notes: A C C+ D+ F F+ G+ ... these notes, from this sonority, is, known as, the Harmonic Major scale:

they say it is in the key of A: what! ever


but any way : that is how you get the harmonic major..




editors Note: this is not a mode, it is a scale in of itself..
It also shares the same intervallic formula, as the harmonic minor scale.

note: that I said, formula, not intervallic step pattern.
This intervallic formula is also known as- interval vector.

Simply put the intervallic formula gives you a chemical analysis of all the intervals-within-a-given-scale / sonority..

With this chemical analysis, you can fairly understand what it will sound like..before you even play that sonority / scale..

What are the notes in A harmonic minor, and the notes in A harmonic major then?

[frankus]

The major scale and it's modes have a really nice symmetry when placed on the cycle of 5ths - a nice long line, the middle being on the 2nd degree of the scale:

F# Db Ab Eb Bb F C G D A E B F# Db Ab Eb Bb

The melodic minor has a symmetry too:

F# Db Ab Eb Bb F C G D A E B F# Db Ab Eb Bb

But the Harmonic minor? Pah... no symmetry ... nada ... zilch.

F# Db Ab Eb Bb F C G D A E B F# Db Ab Eb Bb

Basically it's going to be the next refuge of schlepps who used the pentatonic for melody and then wanted something angular - pattern players if you will.

All the modes of the melodic minor can be seen as bridges of the modes of the major scale:

Lydian Dominant = Mixolydian + Lydian
Melodic Minor = Dorian + Ionian
Mixolydian flat 6 = Aeolian + Mixolydian

In each case take the modes altered note from it's nearest modal neighbour (if you don't know that work out the key centre for relative modes starting on C - C ionian, C lydian, C dorian etc) - the altered note from C dorian to C aeloian is the b6.

Pay attention this is interval vector matrix arithmetic - highly musical and easy to play on the guitar. All this shit about interval vectors is a nice way of covering up the fact you're playing patterns not musical notes.

[spawn]

Originally Posted by frankus

Pay attention this is interval vector matrix arithmetic - highly musical and easy to play on the guitar. All this shit about interval vectors is a nice way of covering up the fact you're playing patterns not musical notes.

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